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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Dividend Stocks: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly posted at Dividends Value, saying, &#8220;Like virtually everything else in this world Dividend [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://dividendsvalue.com/1648/dividend-stocks-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-3224</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And maintains it&#039;s dividend&quot;..Exactly my point.  Ok, We agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And maintains it&#8217;s dividend&#8221;..Exactly my point.  Ok, We agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividends4Life</title>
		<link>http://dividendsvalue.com/1648/dividend-stocks-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-3221</link>
		<dc:creator>Dividends4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck: First of all, I have no clients. My site is a blog chronicling MY personal journal to financial freedom. 

Without doing the analysis, I suspect much of the bonds/notes return is is based on its appreciation resulting from interest rate cuts. This works the other way too. Many have speculated that the bond market is the next bubble that will burst as inflation returns from Obama printing money to fund his initiatives. 

As what dividend stock can out perform a 6.5% bond, obviously any stock that is currently yielding more than that and maintains it dividend could. Possible examples here would include: PGN 6.61%, AFL 6.73%, BP 8.39%, O 9.12%. 

From a more traditional way of looking at dividend investing (lower current yield, but strong dividend growth, you would have to consider these companies (yield/growth)[NPV of bond difference @6.5%/Yield on Cost after 20 years]: 

PG (3.22%/10.7%) [$892/24.6%]
JNJ (3.37%/10.8%) [$1,136/26.2%]
KMB (4.82%/8.8%) [$1,999/26.0%]
PEP (3.29%/13.0%) [$2,545/38.2%]
UTX (3.58%/15.0%) [$6,956/58.6%]

I could go on, but you get the idea. These aren&#039;t scary dangerous companies. The NPV number is square brackets is how much per $1,000 invested you would earn if the assumptions hold true. 

You can model this for yourself using my &lt;a href=&quot;http://dividendsvalue.com/tools/excel-models/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DF4-PreScreen.xls&lt;/a&gt; model.

In addition, after 20 years most stocks will have appreciated, while bonds will not have. I have never seen a study showing bonds out performing stocks over the long-term.

Best Wishes,
D4L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck: First of all, I have no clients. My site is a blog chronicling MY personal journal to financial freedom. </p>
<p>Without doing the analysis, I suspect much of the bonds/notes return is is based on its appreciation resulting from interest rate cuts. This works the other way too. Many have speculated that the bond market is the next bubble that will burst as inflation returns from Obama printing money to fund his initiatives. </p>
<p>As what dividend stock can out perform a 6.5% bond, obviously any stock that is currently yielding more than that and maintains it dividend could. Possible examples here would include: PGN 6.61%, AFL 6.73%, BP 8.39%, O 9.12%. </p>
<p>From a more traditional way of looking at dividend investing (lower current yield, but strong dividend growth, you would have to consider these companies (yield/growth)[NPV of bond difference @6.5%/Yield on Cost after 20 years]: </p>
<p>PG (3.22%/10.7%) [$892/24.6%]<br />
JNJ (3.37%/10.8%) [$1,136/26.2%]<br />
KMB (4.82%/8.8%) [$1,999/26.0%]<br />
PEP (3.29%/13.0%) [$2,545/38.2%]<br />
UTX (3.58%/15.0%) [$6,956/58.6%]</p>
<p>I could go on, but you get the idea. These aren&#8217;t scary dangerous companies. The NPV number is square brackets is how much per $1,000 invested you would earn if the assumptions hold true. </p>
<p>You can model this for yourself using my <a href="http://dividendsvalue.com/tools/excel-models/" rel="nofollow">DF4-PreScreen.xls</a> model.</p>
<p>In addition, after 20 years most stocks will have appreciated, while bonds will not have. I have never seen a study showing bonds out performing stocks over the long-term.</p>
<p>Best Wishes,<br />
D4L</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://dividendsvalue.com/1648/dividend-stocks-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-3217</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D4L - When is the dividend growth in any of the dividend stocks you reserach going to exceed the 6-7% you are getting in a corporate note, with a final redemption date, that would only be suspended after all common and preferred are cut or suspended?

If you look over the past 10 years, bonds have consistantly outperformed dividend stocks...by a lot.  In today&#039;s environment, the chances of your common stock picks&#039; dividends being cut have never been higher since the Depression.

Of course, this fact would significantly discount the importance of your site, but those are the facts.  You are leading your clients down the wrong path...in my opinion.  The next 2-3 years...it&#039;s all about the safety and yield and that means good quality corporate paper...Yes, there is plenty of risk in them too, if you are not staying the course to their maturity, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D4L &#8211; When is the dividend growth in any of the dividend stocks you reserach going to exceed the 6-7% you are getting in a corporate note, with a final redemption date, that would only be suspended after all common and preferred are cut or suspended?</p>
<p>If you look over the past 10 years, bonds have consistantly outperformed dividend stocks&#8230;by a lot.  In today&#8217;s environment, the chances of your common stock picks&#8217; dividends being cut have never been higher since the Depression.</p>
<p>Of course, this fact would significantly discount the importance of your site, but those are the facts.  You are leading your clients down the wrong path&#8230;in my opinion.  The next 2-3 years&#8230;it&#8217;s all about the safety and yield and that means good quality corporate paper&#8230;Yes, there is plenty of risk in them too, if you are not staying the course to their maturity, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividends4Life</title>
		<link>http://dividendsvalue.com/1648/dividend-stocks-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-3216</link>
		<dc:creator>Dividends4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck: The power in dividends is not what they are paying today, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://dividendsvalue.com/1279/whats-more-powerful-than-compound-interest/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dividend growth&lt;/a&gt;. Utilities and fixed income should be a small percentage of a dividend growth portfolio.

Best Wishes,
D4L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck: The power in dividends is not what they are paying today, the <a href="http://dividendsvalue.com/1279/whats-more-powerful-than-compound-interest/" rel="nofollow">dividend growth</a>. Utilities and fixed income should be a small percentage of a dividend growth portfolio.</p>
<p>Best Wishes,<br />
D4L</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://dividendsvalue.com/1648/dividend-stocks-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-3212</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you buy some corporate paper?  You can buy them in increments as low as $1000 and either they keep paying (unlike the uncertainty of your picks) or they go out of business and the entire world blows up.  You can get Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Chase...All paying you better than what you are telling these website viewers.

Yes, they have to hold them to maturity, but so what?  You get a 3-5 year piece of paper paying you over 6% in an A rated bank.  These banks are not going out of business folks!

Never pay over par!  Stick to the banks who&#039;s stocks have weathered this storm over the past year..There are a few...Bank of NY, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs...You can also get Georgia Power notes paying over 6% at well udner par..As good as what is being recommended here in common with huge dividend cut risks.

With all due respect to this author, ever heard of Robert Conrad?  He is also a utilities expert....It doesn&#039;t work!  By time they have trouble (common) and you find out, you are screwed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you buy some corporate paper?  You can buy them in increments as low as $1000 and either they keep paying (unlike the uncertainty of your picks) or they go out of business and the entire world blows up.  You can get Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Chase&#8230;All paying you better than what you are telling these website viewers.</p>
<p>Yes, they have to hold them to maturity, but so what?  You get a 3-5 year piece of paper paying you over 6% in an A rated bank.  These banks are not going out of business folks!</p>
<p>Never pay over par!  Stick to the banks who&#8217;s stocks have weathered this storm over the past year..There are a few&#8230;Bank of NY, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs&#8230;You can also get Georgia Power notes paying over 6% at well udner par..As good as what is being recommended here in common with huge dividend cut risks.</p>
<p>With all due respect to this author, ever heard of Robert Conrad?  He is also a utilities expert&#8230;.It doesn&#8217;t work!  By time they have trouble (common) and you find out, you are screwed!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s got some Canadian trusts....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s got some Canadian trusts&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividends4Life</title>
		<link>http://dividendsvalue.com/1648/dividend-stocks-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2918</link>
		<dc:creator>Dividends4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikel: I am not familiar with all the stocks you listed, but of the ones I am: Just sold PFE because of a dividend cut, KFT rated low in &lt;a href=&quot;http://dividendsvalue.com/425/stock-analysis-kraft-foods-inc-kft/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my analysis&lt;/a&gt;, XOM &lt;a href=&quot;http://dividendsvalue.com/1341/stock-analysis-exxon-mobil-corp-xom/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rated low&lt;/a&gt;, FRO is a shipping company that just cut its dividend, the others I have not looked at.

Best Wishes,
D4L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikel: I am not familiar with all the stocks you listed, but of the ones I am: Just sold PFE because of a dividend cut, KFT rated low in <a href="http://dividendsvalue.com/425/stock-analysis-kraft-foods-inc-kft/" rel="nofollow">my analysis</a>, XOM <a href="http://dividendsvalue.com/1341/stock-analysis-exxon-mobil-corp-xom/" rel="nofollow">rated low</a>, FRO is a shipping company that just cut its dividend, the others I have not looked at.</p>
<p>Best Wishes,<br />
D4L</p>
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		<title>By: mikel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own in a mutual fund
PBR/PVX/PWE/DD/FRO/PFE/MO/GGB/UNTD/XOM/MRK/TE/SNE/KFT...
WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS? 
ARE THESE UGLY DUCKLINGS OR SWANS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own in a mutual fund<br />
PBR/PVX/PWE/DD/FRO/PFE/MO/GGB/UNTD/XOM/MRK/TE/SNE/KFT&#8230;<br />
WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS?<br />
ARE THESE UGLY DUCKLINGS OR SWANS&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dividend Growth Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividend Growth Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own some good and some bad dividend stocks. I tend to sell the ugly ones immediately :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own some good and some bad dividend stocks. I tend to sell the ugly ones immediately <img src='http://dividendsvalue.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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