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		<title>By: Weekend reading for investors: 9/5/09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend reading for investors: 9/5/09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Value asks if ETFs are good for income investors. One for U.S. readers, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dollar Frugal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of Wealth, Money and Life - May 9, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dollar Frugal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of Wealth, Money and Life - May 9, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 04:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Are ETFs and CEFs Good Income Investments? posted at Dividends Value, saying, &#8220;Dividend investing is not about buying high-yield stocks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Money Hacks Carnival #64 - As American As Apple Pie &#124; My Life ROI, Getting the Best Return On Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Hacks Carnival #64 - As American As Apple Pie &#124; My Life ROI, Getting the Best Return On Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Are ETFs and CEFs Good Income Investments? posted at Dividends Value, saying &#8220;Dividend investing is not about buying high-yield stocks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bootstrap</title>
		<link>http://dividendsvalue.com/3005/are-etfs-and-cefs-good-income-investments/comment-page-1/#comment-6032</link>
		<dc:creator>Bootstrap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thought - the reason I first wrote about this topic was that I saw the concept of buying dividend stocks and &quot;get paid while you wait&quot; alot in the popular financial press - which I think is a gross oversimplification of the process.  Based on your research process I&#039;m guessing you would agree.

As an aside, I too am interested in more international exposure but would prefer to invest in individual companies.  If you stumble on any interesting non-US companies in your research a post in that area would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bootstrap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thought &#8211; the reason I first wrote about this topic was that I saw the concept of buying dividend stocks and &#8220;get paid while you wait&#8221; alot in the popular financial press &#8211; which I think is a gross oversimplification of the process.  Based on your research process I&#8217;m guessing you would agree.</p>
<p>As an aside, I too am interested in more international exposure but would prefer to invest in individual companies.  If you stumble on any interesting non-US companies in your research a post in that area would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Bootstrap</p>
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		<title>By: Dividends4Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividends4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bootstrap:

&gt;do you think dividend investors might be
&gt;particularly susceptible to be lulled into 
&gt;a false sense of security?

If they were, this market should have cured it.

&gt;when evaluating competing investments
&gt;particularly for a long term holding,
&gt;wouldn’t the investment with the best total
&gt;return be the best place for your money

Over time, dividend stocks have done quite well compared to the market as a whole. More on this in Wednesday&#039;s post.

&gt;income stocks that you write about, why 
&gt;is that?

Most of my other holdings are mutual funds, ETFs and CEFs. I am currently researching international (emerging markets) funds to increase my exposure in that area - I find it dreadfully boring. I much prefer to research an individual company and understand its persona. Here is you a link to a non-income post:

http://dividendsvalue.com/1168/is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-portfolio/

BTW, this fund has been dreadful up to this point.

Best Wishes,
D4L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bootstrap:</p>
<p>&gt;do you think dividend investors might be<br />
&gt;particularly susceptible to be lulled into<br />
&gt;a false sense of security?</p>
<p>If they were, this market should have cured it.</p>
<p>&gt;when evaluating competing investments<br />
&gt;particularly for a long term holding,<br />
&gt;wouldn’t the investment with the best total<br />
&gt;return be the best place for your money</p>
<p>Over time, dividend stocks have done quite well compared to the market as a whole. More on this in Wednesday&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&gt;income stocks that you write about, why<br />
&gt;is that?</p>
<p>Most of my other holdings are mutual funds, ETFs and CEFs. I am currently researching international (emerging markets) funds to increase my exposure in that area &#8211; I find it dreadfully boring. I much prefer to research an individual company and understand its persona. Here is you a link to a non-income post:</p>
<p><a href="http://dividendsvalue.com/1168/is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-portfolio/" rel="nofollow">http://dividendsvalue.com/1168/is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-portfolio/</a></p>
<p>BTW, this fund has been dreadful up to this point.</p>
<p>Best Wishes,<br />
D4L</p>
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		<title>By: Bootstrap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bootstrap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi D4L,

Thanks for the response.  I must admit, I like your post title “The Dark Side of Dividends” ;-) I didn&#039;t realize that your dividend portfolio was a portion of your overall total.  I take your point on investors being able to be lazy with just about any strategy, but since you blog on the topic - do you think dividend investors might be particularly susceptible to be lulled into a false sense of security?

I take your point with capital gains, but like you said, one can be lazy with any strategy.  I was just pointing out when evaluating competing investments particularly for a long term holding, wouldn&#039;t the investment with the best total return be the best place for your money, regardless of dividend status?  Also, I simplify somewhat, clearly you would want to convert your gains into income producing investments over time to avoid any market timing impacts.

I guess another way to phrase the question - you mention that your portfolio has only a portion of income stocks that you write about, why is that?  I&#039;d be interested in understanding that - maybe in a future post.

Thanks - I enjoy your blog,
Bootstrap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi D4L,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response.  I must admit, I like your post title “The Dark Side of Dividends” <img src='http://dividendsvalue.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I didn&#8217;t realize that your dividend portfolio was a portion of your overall total.  I take your point on investors being able to be lazy with just about any strategy, but since you blog on the topic &#8211; do you think dividend investors might be particularly susceptible to be lulled into a false sense of security?</p>
<p>I take your point with capital gains, but like you said, one can be lazy with any strategy.  I was just pointing out when evaluating competing investments particularly for a long term holding, wouldn&#8217;t the investment with the best total return be the best place for your money, regardless of dividend status?  Also, I simplify somewhat, clearly you would want to convert your gains into income producing investments over time to avoid any market timing impacts.</p>
<p>I guess another way to phrase the question &#8211; you mention that your portfolio has only a portion of income stocks that you write about, why is that?  I&#8217;d be interested in understanding that &#8211; maybe in a future post.</p>
<p>Thanks &#8211; I enjoy your blog,<br />
Bootstrap</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Linkfest: Stress Test Edition &#124; Darwin's Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Linkfest: Stress Test Edition &#124; Darwin's Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carnival Of Wealth, Money and Life &#8220;sdrawkcaB&#8221; Edition &#124; How I Save Money.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival Of Wealth, Money and Life &#8220;sdrawkcaB&#8221; Edition &#124; How I Save Money.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dividends4Life presents Are ETFs and CEFs Good Income Investments? posted atDividends Value, saying, &#8220;Dividend investing is not about buying high-yield stocks to generate a high income. Instead, dividend investing is about finding solid dividend stocks that are reasonably priced and are expected to continue raising their dividends in the future. So, are ETFs and CEFs a good fit for this strategy?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dividends4Life presents Are ETFs and CEFs Good Income Investments? posted atDividends Value, saying, &#8220;Dividend investing is not about buying high-yield stocks to generate a high income. Instead, dividend investing is about finding solid dividend stocks that are reasonably priced and are expected to continue raising their dividends in the future. So, are ETFs and CEFs a good fit for this strategy?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 09:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here it the UK there&#039;s an income/dividend based ETF from iShares (Barclays) that&#039;s been yielding 8% plus for two years now. People bought it as an income play, but they&#039;ve seen its capital value crushed. In retrospect it is more like a geared investment on fear/greed (since at bullish times yields go down and vice versa).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here it the UK there&#8217;s an income/dividend based ETF from iShares (Barclays) that&#8217;s been yielding 8% plus for two years now. People bought it as an income play, but they&#8217;ve seen its capital value crushed. In retrospect it is more like a geared investment on fear/greed (since at bullish times yields go down and vice versa).</p>
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		<title>By: Dividends4Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividends4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 23:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMT: During a bear market is really where all meaningful evaluations take place - everything looks good in a bull market. I am looking for predictable and consistent dividends from my income portfolio. The ETFs/CEFs can&#039;t produce this in a bear market. They are not bad investments, but they just don&#039;t meet my requirements for this portfolio.

Bootstrap: Dividend investing is only one part of my total portfolio. I find it the most interesting, so it is the one I blog about. Occasionally, I will touch on some of my other holdings, but I generally avoid it. Here is a link to a 

Not to one up you, but last June I posted &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dividendsvalue.com/1323/the-dark-side-of-dividends/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Dark Side of Dividends&lt;/a&gt;&quot; in which I listed 5 reasons for &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; paying a dividend. Some were the same you listed in your post.

As for your post, we can agree on #3. I am not a DRIP fan. I accumulate dividends over a month, then invest them in whatever stock is the best value and fits my asset allocation.  I am not sure I understand your #4. I evaluate every company that i own at least quarterly. An investor can be lazy using any type of investment strategy. Numbers 2 and 1, I addressed in the post above. 

One other point,  if you totally rely on capital gains, you better time your retirement well. Secular bear markets can sometime last a decade. If you retire at the beginning of of one, you will quickly eat through your nest egg.

Best Wishes,
D4L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMT: During a bear market is really where all meaningful evaluations take place &#8211; everything looks good in a bull market. I am looking for predictable and consistent dividends from my income portfolio. The ETFs/CEFs can&#8217;t produce this in a bear market. They are not bad investments, but they just don&#8217;t meet my requirements for this portfolio.</p>
<p>Bootstrap: Dividend investing is only one part of my total portfolio. I find it the most interesting, so it is the one I blog about. Occasionally, I will touch on some of my other holdings, but I generally avoid it. Here is a link to a </p>
<p>Not to one up you, but last June I posted &#8220;<a href="http://dividendsvalue.com/1323/the-dark-side-of-dividends/" rel="nofollow">The Dark Side of Dividends</a>&#8221; in which I listed 5 reasons for <strong>not</strong> paying a dividend. Some were the same you listed in your post.</p>
<p>As for your post, we can agree on #3. I am not a DRIP fan. I accumulate dividends over a month, then invest them in whatever stock is the best value and fits my asset allocation.  I am not sure I understand your #4. I evaluate every company that i own at least quarterly. An investor can be lazy using any type of investment strategy. Numbers 2 and 1, I addressed in the post above. </p>
<p>One other point,  if you totally rely on capital gains, you better time your retirement well. Secular bear markets can sometime last a decade. If you retire at the beginning of of one, you will quickly eat through your nest egg.</p>
<p>Best Wishes,<br />
D4L</p>
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